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Final debate
I watched some of the debate last night, muting on and off when it got too ugly. I have a low tolerance for arguments, my mind is made up anyway and I have trouble giving McCain any of my time. What I did watch was only out of a sense of civic duty. Heather called me up right as it was starting to talk about our foster cats, oh the humanity, and she said she didn't know how much of it she was going to be able to sit through either. Nice to know someone understands.

I had heard a lot before the debate about how Bob Schieffer was in the tank for McCain, but in the aftermath everybody seemed to say that he did the best job of the three moderators and I think I'd have to agree. The trouble is, being a good moderator means getting the candidates to argue, so for me it was like eating spinach (not that I hate spinach—more like eating bean sprouts) to watch it.

McCain has obviously been coached to look at the camera and try to smile, but at times he forgot himself and lapsed into grimacing and sneering. Obama looked snarky at times too as he listened to McCain. He looked tired, a little shiny, with bags under his eyes. McCain in his funeral-home makeup actually held up well in comparison.

I was pissed that Obama had to spend so much time responding to McCain's BS attacks about Ayers and ACORN. I guess keeping him on the defensive like that was a win for McCain. McCain was really aggressive and interrupt-y. I don't know if that will play well or not—it is what his base wanted him to do. He repeated the lie that Obama wanted to raise taxes on households making $40-something-K/year, when the actual minimum income at which the tax increase would kick in is $250K. Obama had to spend precious seconds debunking that for like the 487th time.

I found McCain's reply to the health care question hilarious. He feels the pain of families that can't afford healthcare, so he's going to put their medical records online. Not that this wouldn't be a good idea, but he didn't explain it well enough and that alone is such a weak answer to the health-care crisis that it sounded like a nonsequitur. Then he went on to say that he'd add nutrition and fitness programs in the schools, as if making kids lose weight will give their parents coverage for cancer. McCain seemed to get more airtime in this debate. Let's hope it was the rope he needed to hang himself.

Finally, I liked what Obama said about abortion. I don't usually agree with Will Saletan, but he covered that part of the debate pretty well here.

Well, now I feel like a good citizen. That's over for another four years.

ETA On another topic entirely, I'm loving Upside-Down Dogs. Thanks, atabei! And while we're on the subject of animals, I finally got Muppet to eat her food. Let's hope that's settled.

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pootski From: pootski Date: October 16th, 2008 11:50 am (UTC) (Link)
"McCain in his funeral-home makeup"

*snort*. I feel like he's about a decade late getting to the nomination (not that he didn't try before). A decade ago, he was a much more handsome - and vital looking - man, and that might have made the difference for him as far as the fickle American public is concerned. Oh well for him.
florafloraflora From: florafloraflora Date: October 16th, 2008 01:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
A decade ago he also still had some credibility as an independent thinker and a relatively honest politician, thanks to his campaign finance reform work. The conventional wisdom was that he'd cleaned up his act after the Keating Five scandal. He was still too conservative for me, but I had some respect for him. I lost it all when he sold his soul to GW Bush in 2004, agreeing not to challenge him then in return for the Bush machine's backing this year. Little did he know how toxic Bush would be to voters now. We could really have used a crack in the Republican facade in 2004. Now it's too late for him. I find it hard to feel any sympathy.
miketroll From: miketroll Date: October 16th, 2008 11:58 am (UTC) (Link)
Love the icon! :)

Over here I don't get to see a lot of McCain (lucky me!) but perhaps the impression of a mere casual observer is all the more interesting. His and Palin's phony rhetoric and calculated lying disgust me. I can't imagine how the Obama-consorts-with-terrorists gambit would float over here. If McCain/Palin were British politicians, they would now be drowning in universal derision. We don't have much respect for politicians at the best of times, and none for those who can't behave decently.

ETA: re his "funeral home make-up", I've referred elsewhere to McCain/Palin as the Embalmed and the Embarrassing.

Edited at 2008-10-16 11:59 am (UTC)
florafloraflora From: florafloraflora Date: October 17th, 2008 02:02 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, it's all pretty artificial. A lot of US voters seem not to be satisfied unless their politicians put on some sort of spectacle for them—people don't always care if the stories are strictly true as long as they're compelling.

the Embalmed and the Embarrassing
*snorf* McCain is what he is, but Palin really does embarrass me. I guess the embarrassment is more for the women I know, some of whom I really like, who are fired up about McCain not because of his policies or party, but because they loooooove Sarah Palin. I'm just not seeing it.
retc From: retc Date: October 17th, 2008 02:54 am (UTC) (Link)
Thanks for the laugh.
Loved the upside down dogs.
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